Take out sniper class

Skillet · 11-13-2010, 12:48 AM

This is the most annoying class. No way to defend it in long range maps, give offense players a shield or something. The most skilled players can get shot by these noobs. Need a way of not dying from some guy sitting back and just letting go of the mouse button.

**squeek.** · 11-13-2010, 12:52 AM

Here we go again.

**squeek.** · 11-13-2010, 12:54 AM

For reference:

Skillet · 11-13-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

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I agree with Bridget, please make changes suggested.

Bridget · 11-13-2010, 05:47 AM

Huh, people are complaining about the Sniper again? I wonder what that means.

angrypyro · 11-13-2010, 06:21 AM

The way I see it, the sniper should be able to keep the defensive classes (engineer, HW, soldier) from crossing the middle but not prevent offensive classes from attacking. This is done by giving offensive classes abilities that let them cross. Conc for scouts and medics, pipe jumping for demo, cloak for spy, flamethrower bunnyhopping for pyro. However right now, with a good sniper, no one can cross the middle.

chilledsanity · 11-13-2010, 07:14 AM

Here's kind of a radical idea:

Remove sniper rifle, give snipers mini-homing rockets that can be steered via the laser sight. Make them not as fast or powerful as a soldier's. This would accomplish exactly what angrypyro is discussing. Fast moving air classes would be practically untouchable. Slow moving ones would be much more vulnerable. It would also give players time to try and dodge the rockets, so it's not an instakill situation trying to cross the yard. Rocket damage could also be lethal to anyone carrying the flag.

This would however, eliminate the traditional sniping style, so it wouldn't please everybody, but might make him potentially more practical as a defender. Maybe have a "tag gun" with a scope and a quick reload time to retain some of his functionality.

Bridget · 11-13-2010, 07:50 AM

I recommended something on the Team Fortress 2 forums to this effect:

Lever-Action Rifle without the Zoom Ability.
Crosshair grows and weapon becomes highly inaccurate while moving.
Standing still quickly shrinks crosshair and makes the weapon 100% accurate.
Deals huge damage to the chest, weak damage to legs/arms/etc.
Deals double damage to the head when 100% accurate.
Firing causes the weapon to become slightly inaccurate/crosshair grows.
Therefore, standing still reduces refire rate.

Allows the Sniper to snipe slow moving classes in the head and drop them in 2 or 3 hits. Also is only practical at medium-close ranges where the Sniper can be interacted with. Requires a huge feat of skill to pull off at long range, but the ability is still there. No damage falloff.

Ventry(Leo Wainker) · 11-13-2010, 09:07 AM

That is all.

Bridget · 11-13-2010, 09:35 AM

no u

Iggy · 11-13-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

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With those links, you should have locked the thread.

Bridget · 11-13-2010, 02:43 PM

Yeah, we gotta lock threads before problems become too obvious.

reaper18 · 11-13-2010, 03:18 PM

I still think that making the sniper rifle more of a projectile based weapon would be a good start in finding a better niche for the sniper.
Would make all classes harder to hit, especially fast moving scouts, but would make classes like the soldier and hw easy peasy.

Iggy · 11-13-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bridget

Yeah, we gotta lock threads before problems become too obvious.

If you mean yourself, then yes.

Skillet · 11-13-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bridget

Yeah, we gotta lock threads before problems become too obvious.

So true

Skillet · 11-13-2010, 07:20 PM

Another suggestion make All other classes able to see snipers through walls like the objective icon. So you can prepare an offensive maneuver for the noob playing sniper

GambiT · 11-13-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ventry(Leo Wainker)

That is all.

the sniper is a part of this game, just as it was in tfc....^^^^^^

Iggy · 11-13-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skillet

Another suggestion make All other classes able to see snipers through walls like the objective icon. So you can prepare an offensive maneuver for the noob playing sniper

You mean "Tagging", without needing the skill/ability to actually tag the player first....

Yeah, that's a winner of an idea.

Skillet · 11-13-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

You mean "Tagging", without needing the skill/ability to actually tag the player first....

Yeah, that's a winner of an idea.

it would make it more balanced for a medic or scout who is uber skilled unlike the noob sniper who has put in hardly any hours into the game. A elite player should not have his kill : death ratio messed up be a noob.

**Ricey** · 11-13-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skillet

it would make it more balanced for a medic or scout who is uber skilled unlike the noob sniper who has put in hardly any hours into the game. A elite player should not have his kill : death ratio messed up be a noob.

OH NO MY K:D RATIO IS FUCKED UP ON A PUB!!!!!!!

11-13-2010, 12:48 AM	#1
Skillet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Take out sniper class This is the most annoying class. No way to defend it in long range maps, give offense players a shield or something. The most skilled players can get shot by these noobs. Need a way of not dying from some guy sitting back and just letting go of the mouse button.

11-13-2010, 12:52 AM	#2
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Here we go again. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

11-13-2010, 12:54 AM	#3
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	For reference: Snipers! They don't belong. Suggestional Fixes for the Sniper. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

11-13-2010, 07:50 AM	#8
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	I recommended something on the Team Fortress 2 forums to this effect: Lever-Action Rifle without the Zoom Ability. Crosshair grows and weapon becomes highly inaccurate while moving. Standing still quickly shrinks crosshair and makes the weapon 100% accurate. Deals huge damage to the chest, weak damage to legs/arms/etc. Deals double damage to the head when 100% accurate. Firing causes the weapon to become slightly inaccurate/crosshair grows. Therefore, standing still reduces refire rate. Allows the Sniper to snipe slow moving classes in the head and drop them in 2 or 3 hits. Also is only practical at medium-close ranges where the Sniper can be interacted with. Requires a huge feat of skill to pull off at long range, but the ability is still there. No damage falloff.

11-13-2010, 05:47 AM	#5
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Huh, people are complaining about the Sniper again? I wonder what that means.

11-13-2010, 06:21 AM	#6
angrypyro D&A Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	The way I see it, the sniper should be able to keep the defensive classes (engineer, HW, soldier) from crossing the middle but not prevent offensive classes from attacking. This is done by giving offensive classes abilities that let them cross. Conc for scouts and medics, pipe jumping for demo, cloak for spy, flamethrower bunnyhopping for pyro. However right now, with a good sniper, no one can cross the middle.

11-13-2010, 07:14 AM	#7
chilledsanity D&A Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Gametype: AvD, I/D, waterpolo, hunted Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Here's kind of a radical idea: Remove sniper rifle, give snipers mini-homing rockets that can be steered via the laser sight. Make them not as fast or powerful as a soldier's. This would accomplish exactly what angrypyro is discussing. Fast moving air classes would be practically untouchable. Slow moving ones would be much more vulnerable. It would also give players time to try and dodge the rockets, so it's not an instakill situation trying to cross the yard. Rocket damage could also be lethal to anyone carrying the flag. This would however, eliminate the traditional sniping style, so it wouldn't please everybody, but might make him potentially more practical as a defender. Maybe have a "tag gun" with a scope and a quick reload time to retain some of his functionality.

11-13-2010, 09:07 AM	#9
Ventry(Leo Wainker) D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That is all.

11-13-2010, 09:35 AM	#10
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	no u

11-13-2010, 02:43 PM	#12
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Yeah, we gotta lock threads before problems become too obvious.

11-13-2010, 03:18 PM	#13
reaper18 sKeeD D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Scout, Demo, Solly Gametype: Any Posts Rated Helpful 21 Times	I still think that making the sniper rifle more of a projectile based weapon would be a good start in finding a better niche for the sniper. Would make all classes harder to hit, especially fast moving scouts, but would make classes like the soldier and hw easy peasy.

11-13-2010, 07:20 PM	#16
Skillet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Another suggestion make All other classes able to see snipers through walls like the objective icon. So you can prepare an offensive maneuver for the noob playing sniper

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