Without Valve, we would not have FF - Page 2

rannibunny · 10-21-2007, 07:58 AM

yeah, if noone would have wrecked and savaged our most beloved game, there wouldn't even be a need for ff...

GhOsT · 10-22-2007, 12:28 PM

If it wasn't for Valve TFC wouldn't have existed. If it wasn't for Valve packaging TFC with a HL update TFC wouldn't have become as popular as it did. If TFC didn't exist conc jumping as we know it wouldn't have existed. So in turn if FF was made for another game it would probably be more like QTF.

EngeeMan · 10-22-2007, 01:09 PM

If not for Robin Walker there wouldn't have been a TF. If there was no TF there wouldn't have been a TFC or TF2.

<3 Robin.

Private_Joker · 10-22-2007, 01:40 PM

I don't really understand the point of all these counterfactuals...but here's mine:

If there was no TF2, Fortress might finally have the popularity which it deserves.

The war is never over.

-Joker

Dr.Uudge · 10-22-2007, 02:29 PM

Ok now, thats enough butt kissing valve and Robin.

10-23-2007, 04:42 AM

Wow... people forgot all about where it started. QWTF. There woudnt be any fortress mods/spinoffs without that. Honestly im embarrased to play FF at times with the strange stuff like tagging snipers, medics with the epic reach(concs/emps that work through walls) and the amazing ability to leap over fire! (although that is kind of realistic)

Modeled after TFC, it's the same game plan, lots of changes that turns the old QWTF players off. (At least for me it does)

Id just like some simple fixes, snipers that dont require a 1second charge for a kill, the removal of the 'charging bar' for both hw/sniper or at least an option to disable it, pipe grenades that actually have the explosion it used to and the removal of the cloak (I find it only useful in dark maps, light maps they show up quite well, to the point I wonder why they use it)

I do wonder myself if the conc is supposed to have that big of a blast radius, I dont recall it being that big.
(I laughed when I noticed that the FF team totally forgot about the building of sentries in spawn to block people, I myself had forgotten until I saw it again... I dont recall seeing that happen since QWTF)

GhOsT · 10-23-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Richards

...medics with the epic reach(concs/emps that work through walls) and the amazing ability to leap over fire! (although that is kind of realistic)...

Not sure about concs, but EMPs definitely worked through walls in QWTF.

10-23-2007, 07:21 PM

That I know they did, although EMP grenades didnt equal an instant kill. We generally dropped ammo we didnt need or dropped some ammo to reduce the effect(engineers!)

Dospac · 10-24-2007, 05:56 AM

Dropping ammo lessens the emp damage in FF, m8.

GhOsT · 10-24-2007, 11:58 AM

As it did in TFC as well, unless you were a pyro.

Lt Llama · 10-24-2007, 02:23 PM

Without Valve I would have been married now and being busy making babies.

THANK YOU VALVE

KubeDawg · 10-24-2007, 03:31 PM

You know something Peon, I think I agree with you. I might not play as many FPS games as you probably do, but I understand where you're coming from.

But, you also have to think about the TFC fan base that probably caused Valve to create a new version of it. I mean, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, Ricochet didn't make it because none of them were as popular as DOD, CS and TFC. These 3 games are why valve is doing so well right now. CS, for obvious reasons, DOD keeps that militaristic/war feeling to it, and TFC because it's unique in every form or fashion compared to every other FPS game out there, including the Tribes/Unreal series.

And if the fan base hadn't been there for TFC, it would be as dead as those other games I listed, and we wouldn't find a need to make a new version of it.

Because of Valve, I can happily say that they are bringing new people to our game. I consider TFC, or the TF series a part of my life. It was the first FPS I've ever played, and as much as I continue to play other games, I will never stop playing TFC/FF/TF2.

You play for over a certain amount of time and you start to feel like you deserve something more, something better than what has been produced, but I think Valve did a damn good job on TF2 and the same goes for the development team here that created FF. Both are not the same as TFC, and I doubt anything will ever be the same, but rest assured, you can bet your ass there will be more people modding both mods to their specifications(TFC style).

10-24-2007, 03:31 PM	#32
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	You know something Peon, I think I agree with you. I might not play as many FPS games as you probably do, but I understand where you're coming from. But, you also have to think about the TFC fan base that probably caused Valve to create a new version of it. I mean, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, Ricochet didn't make it because none of them were as popular as DOD, CS and TFC. These 3 games are why valve is doing so well right now. CS, for obvious reasons, DOD keeps that militaristic/war feeling to it, and TFC because it's unique in every form or fashion compared to every other FPS game out there, including the Tribes/Unreal series. And if the fan base hadn't been there for TFC, it would be as dead as those other games I listed, and we wouldn't find a need to make a new version of it. Because of Valve, I can happily say that they are bringing new people to our game. I consider TFC, or the TF series a part of my life. It was the first FPS I've ever played, and as much as I continue to play other games, I will never stop playing TFC/FF/TF2. You play for over a certain amount of time and you start to feel like you deserve something more, something better than what has been produced, but I think Valve did a damn good job on TF2 and the same goes for the development team here that created FF. Both are not the same as TFC, and I doubt anything will ever be the same, but rest assured, you can bet your ass there will be more people modding both mods to their specifications(TFC style). __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

10-21-2007, 07:58 AM	#21
rannibunny You are a pirate! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeah, if noone would have wrecked and savaged our most beloved game, there wouldn't even be a need for ff...

10-22-2007, 12:28 PM	#22
GhOsT Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If it wasn't for Valve TFC wouldn't have existed. If it wasn't for Valve packaging TFC with a HL update TFC wouldn't have become as popular as it did. If TFC didn't exist conc jumping as we know it wouldn't have existed. So in turn if FF was made for another game it would probably be more like QTF.

10-22-2007, 01:09 PM	#23
EngeeMan Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If not for Robin Walker there wouldn't have been a TF. If there was no TF there wouldn't have been a TFC or TF2. <3 Robin.

10-22-2007, 01:40 PM	#24
Private_Joker a fucking comedian Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: Scout and Medic Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I don't really understand the point of all these counterfactuals...but here's mine: If there was no TF2, Fortress might finally have the popularity which it deserves. The war is never over. -Joker

10-22-2007, 02:29 PM	#25
Dr.Uudge in-game as Dr.Ainpipe Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ok now, thats enough butt kissing valve and Robin.

10-23-2007, 04:42 AM	#26
Richards Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Wow... people forgot all about where it started. QWTF. There woudnt be any fortress mods/spinoffs without that. Honestly im embarrased to play FF at times with the strange stuff like tagging snipers, medics with the epic reach(concs/emps that work through walls) and the amazing ability to leap over fire! (although that is kind of realistic) Modeled after TFC, it's the same game plan, lots of changes that turns the old QWTF players off. (At least for me it does) Id just like some simple fixes, snipers that dont require a 1second charge for a kill, the removal of the 'charging bar' for both hw/sniper or at least an option to disable it, pipe grenades that actually have the explosion it used to and the removal of the cloak (I find it only useful in dark maps, light maps they show up quite well, to the point I wonder why they use it) I do wonder myself if the conc is supposed to have that big of a blast radius, I dont recall it being that big. (I laughed when I noticed that the FF team totally forgot about the building of sentries in spawn to block people, I myself had forgotten until I saw it again... I dont recall seeing that happen since QWTF)

10-23-2007, 07:21 PM	#28
Richards Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	That I know they did, although EMP grenades didnt equal an instant kill. We generally dropped ammo we didnt need or dropped some ammo to reduce the effect(engineers!)

10-24-2007, 05:56 AM	#29
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Dropping ammo lessens the emp damage in FF, m8.

10-24-2007, 11:58 AM	#30
GhOsT Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	As it did in TFC as well, unless you were a pyro.

10-24-2007, 02:23 PM	#31
Lt Llama Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Without Valve I would have been married now and being busy making babies. THANK YOU VALVE

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