Why this mod fails. (Nice try though)

Pebbles · 04-10-2008, 07:10 PM

This game is too similar to a game thats what? 10+ years old? Noobs are likely to not catch up with the few tfc vets that actually play this and aren't sick of it. So we have 2 types of players that will likely never mesh - noobs and tfc vets. At least TF2 is something fresher and different enough from tfc to keep noob AND veteran interest. This mod will never grow much, and vets will get turned off by the noobs and noobs will get turned off by the vets. Nice try, but the tfc concept is dead.

Credge · 04-10-2008, 07:12 PM

Yeah.

The TFC concept is so dead that one of the most popular games out right now follows it almost strictly except for respawn times, grenades, and crits.

Totally.

**squeek.** · 04-10-2008, 07:12 PM

Uh... thanks?

GambiT · 04-10-2008, 07:16 PM

its dumbasses like you with that frame of mind that are bringing down the moral in the FF community, you sir, fail...

Pebbles · 04-10-2008, 07:20 PM

ok...since you are so much smarter than I am, message me when this mod picks up...job3786 on aim or email job3786@comcast.net

Credge · 04-10-2008, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pebbles

ok...since you are so much smarter than I am, message me when this mod picks up...job3786 on aim or email job3786@comcast.net

No thanks.

battery · 04-10-2008, 07:26 PM

Hey, FF community, call me any time you need flattery. I will pat you in the back no matter where this game is heading. Unlike some people who give constructive criticism, I only tell you what you want to hear.

GambiT · 04-10-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pebbles

ok...since you are so much smarter than I am, message me when this mod picks up...job3786 on aim or email job3786@comcast.net

if you dont like the game carry your ass, no need post stuff like this for the community to see, especially for the new comers who are thinking about downloading it.

dont let the door hit you where the good lord split ya.

dys · 04-10-2008, 07:28 PM

So what exactly are you proposing?

battery · 04-10-2008, 07:33 PM

I can't speak for Pebbles, but I guess he is hinting at a comprimise between the many "advanced skills" in FF and the kind of deathmatch found in TF2.

richard nixon · 04-10-2008, 07:38 PM

Nice job at being a smartass Credge. He expressed his opinion in a manner in a way that wasnt so sarcastic and generally mean. But anyways..

I kinda agree with you and disagree with Credge a whole lot. I don't see how you could say TFC follows TF2 even remotely strictly. Not to mention the extreme map changes (compared to FF's relatively subtle map changes) the weapons the medic, demo, smg, voice menus, spy, graphics/presentation, scout (double jump), newb friendliness, stat tracking, achievements, no bhop, etc etc (I could go on forever, and never mind the superficial departures I noted.)

He's almost 100% right about the TFC concept is dead, as it were. Look at all the other tfc type mods. ETF, Q3F, FF, and even TFC itself. Not to mention the failed TF type mods that need not be named.

I like this mod, it gives me another game to play. But I'm not going to be a super fanboy and unreasonably optimistic about it. If you look at the facts this mod is a failure in popularity/user base. It's also a failure in other things but that isn't necessary right now in this conversation.

Never mind his opinions and just look at what he's saying which is more or less fact. TFC veterans and Noobs and even if you disagree I believe that it is a pure fact that TF2 is different enough to actually be successful (which it is and has been, and don't give me that Valve and PR/Marketing shtick).

But that doesn't mean this mod should cease development. If anything it should give the developers extra morale and incentive to actually accomplish what they said they would. The arrogance they've had since the beginning is in my opinion their karma and caused the end result. I remember reading on the forums/news posts/dev blogs about how it will beat TF2, or be popular, and that TF2 will bomb and crash into the dust.

But for what it's worth, SourceForts is doing better than FF. And that is basically HL2DM + CTF + a silly gimmick.

Ginger Lord · 04-10-2008, 07:40 PM

This thread makes my head hurt.

Pebbles · 04-10-2008, 07:40 PM

not proposing anything, just saying why i think thhis mod isn't catching on. and if you want to be assholes about it then fuck it. i'm just saying people that have been concing and stoping concers for 10+years are done with that certain aspect of the game. and noobs will never catch up to the years and years of experience that others have with this type of gameplay...you can be ab asshole about it if you want...but this type of gameplay is done.

Everything · 04-10-2008, 07:42 PM

Well leave then, we're assholes because people have been posting topics exactly like this, and there are quite alot of them.

Credge · 04-10-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard nixon

Nice job at being a smartass Credge. He expressed his opinion in a manner in a way that wasnt so sarcastic and generally mean. But anyways..

And his opinion was wrong as he himself admits it.

He talks about TF2 and then contradicts himself by saying that the TF formula is dead. Sorry, that's not being a smartass, that's pointing out the obvious.

But thanks for being a smartass.

GambiT · 04-10-2008, 07:46 PM

let me explain "why" i'm being an asshole.

you basically said "this mod sucks", instead of saying "i think this mod sucks because of blah blah blah, here are a few ideas i'd like to suggest that i think might help". he flat out critized the game for no other reason than to be a dick.

battery · 04-10-2008, 07:47 PM

The TF2 formula deviated significantly from the old TFC fomula. I don't consider the two to be remotely similar. Even the classes has changed. The TFC medic was replaced by the healer in TF2.

Pebbles · 04-10-2008, 07:51 PM

im in no way trying to be a dick nor should it even be implied that im getting an attitude about the game. i said why i thought this game is not catching on nor will it. that alone should hint at some things that could change to make it more popular. if you want me to give my 2 cents on what would make this a more popular mod then fine - scrap ff and start over. cause like i said...the fortress concept as it was years ago is over...

Credge · 04-10-2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pebbles

cause like i said...the fortress concept as it was years ago is over...

That is simply incorrect.

http://orange.half-life2.com/tf2.html

Probably the most popular FPS out there right now (besides CoD4) follows the fortress concept.

Pebbles · 04-10-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

That is simply incorrect.

http://orange.half-life2.com/tf2.html

Probably the most popular FPS out there right now (besides CoD4) follows the fortress concept.

in your opinion maybe. but feel free to say why you think that way

04-10-2008, 07:10 PM	#1
Pebbles Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Why this mod fails. (Nice try though) This game is too similar to a game thats what? 10+ years old? Noobs are likely to not catch up with the few tfc vets that actually play this and aren't sick of it. So we have 2 types of players that will likely never mesh - noobs and tfc vets. At least TF2 is something fresher and different enough from tfc to keep noob AND veteran interest. This mod will never grow much, and vets will get turned off by the noobs and noobs will get turned off by the vets. Nice try, but the tfc concept is dead.

04-10-2008, 07:12 PM	#2
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	Yeah. The TFC concept is so dead that one of the most popular games out right now follows it almost strictly except for respawn times, grenades, and crits. Totally. __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

04-10-2008, 07:12 PM	#3
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04-10-2008, 07:16 PM	#4
GambiT Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Class/Position: Spy Affiliations: -=DoM=- Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	its dumbasses like you with that frame of mind that are bringing down the moral in the FF community, you sir, fail... __________________ -------------------------------FF_Rock2(WIP)------------------------------ ---------------------------FF_RedGiant(Released)------------------------- --------------------------FF_Fragzone_G(Released)------------------------ --------------------------FF_Civibash_G(Released)------------------------ -------------------FF_Conc_G1(WIP)-------------------- -------------------FF_Hollow_G(WIP)---------------------

04-10-2008, 07:46 PM	#16
GambiT Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Class/Position: Spy Affiliations: -=DoM=- Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	let me explain "why" i'm being an asshole. you basically said "this mod sucks", instead of saying "i think this mod sucks because of blah blah blah, here are a few ideas i'd like to suggest that i think might help". he flat out critized the game for no other reason than to be a dick. __________________ -------------------------------FF_Rock2(WIP)------------------------------ ---------------------------FF_RedGiant(Released)------------------------- --------------------------FF_Fragzone_G(Released)------------------------ --------------------------FF_Civibash_G(Released)------------------------ -------------------FF_Conc_G1(WIP)-------------------- -------------------FF_Hollow_G(WIP)---------------------

04-10-2008, 07:20 PM	#5
Pebbles Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ok...since you are so much smarter than I am, message me when this mod picks up...job3786 on aim or email job3786@comcast.net

04-10-2008, 07:26 PM	#7
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey, FF community, call me any time you need flattery. I will pat you in the back no matter where this game is heading. Unlike some people who give constructive criticism, I only tell you what you want to hear.

04-10-2008, 07:28 PM	#9
dys I am the nip to your bud. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	So what exactly are you proposing?

04-10-2008, 07:33 PM	#10
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I can't speak for Pebbles, but I guess he is hinting at a comprimise between the many "advanced skills" in FF and the kind of deathmatch found in TF2.

04-10-2008, 07:38 PM	#11
richard nixon Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Nice job at being a smartass Credge. He expressed his opinion in a manner in a way that wasnt so sarcastic and generally mean. But anyways.. I kinda agree with you and disagree with Credge a whole lot. I don't see how you could say TFC follows TF2 even remotely strictly. Not to mention the extreme map changes (compared to FF's relatively subtle map changes) the weapons the medic, demo, smg, voice menus, spy, graphics/presentation, scout (double jump), newb friendliness, stat tracking, achievements, no bhop, etc etc (I could go on forever, and never mind the superficial departures I noted.) He's almost 100% right about the TFC concept is dead, as it were. Look at all the other tfc type mods. ETF, Q3F, FF, and even TFC itself. Not to mention the failed TF type mods that need not be named. I like this mod, it gives me another game to play. But I'm not going to be a super fanboy and unreasonably optimistic about it. If you look at the facts this mod is a failure in popularity/user base. It's also a failure in other things but that isn't necessary right now in this conversation. Never mind his opinions and just look at what he's saying which is more or less fact. TFC veterans and Noobs and even if you disagree I believe that it is a pure fact that TF2 is different enough to actually be successful (which it is and has been, and don't give me that Valve and PR/Marketing shtick). But that doesn't mean this mod should cease development. If anything it should give the developers extra morale and incentive to actually accomplish what they said they would. The arrogance they've had since the beginning is in my opinion their karma and caused the end result. I remember reading on the forums/news posts/dev blogs about how it will beat TF2, or be popular, and that TF2 will bomb and crash into the dust. But for what it's worth, SourceForts is doing better than FF. And that is basically HL2DM + CTF + a silly gimmick.

04-10-2008, 07:40 PM	#12
Ginger Lord Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sunny England Affiliations: Custard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	This thread makes my head hurt.

04-10-2008, 07:42 PM	#14
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Well leave then, we're assholes because people have been posting topics exactly like this, and there are quite alot of them.

04-10-2008, 07:47 PM	#17
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The TF2 formula deviated significantly from the old TFC fomula. I don't consider the two to be remotely similar. Even the classes has changed. The TFC medic was replaced by the healer in TF2.

04-10-2008, 07:51 PM	#18
Pebbles Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im in no way trying to be a dick nor should it even be implied that im getting an attitude about the game. i said why i thought this game is not catching on nor will it. that alone should hint at some things that could change to make it more popular. if you want me to give my 2 cents on what would make this a more popular mod then fine - scrap ff and start over. cause like i said...the fortress concept as it was years ago is over...

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