my career

!nF3D4L · 06-01-2008, 01:00 AM

well, i felt the urge to post a random topic so heres a good one, i am currently heading into gr 12 of highschool, so i gotta make my college desicions. i really want to open a recording studio with my friend but i feel it would be better to get a degree of something, so i am chossing a media arts program at sheridan http://www1.sheridaninstitute.ca/programs/0809/pmeda/ its a pretty cool program and i can get into alot of really cool things afterwards for example, i can do sound and lights at concerts or work at a local tv station doing various things, the problem is my parents don't agree with this choice in my life, they belief i should go and something safe. so ive pretty much told them to fuck off and ill do what i want and its something that i love ( i have experience with recording at school). but i really want my parents to agree with what i want to do.

so do any of you do or have had this problem, and what should i do?

battery · 06-01-2008, 01:10 AM

Many people ignorantly believe that the college you attend determines your career path. Your parents and you mistakenly think you have to pick your career now.

College is nothing more than an extension of general education. You are not really specializing in anything while you are working for a bachelor degree.

My suggestion is get a degree in any major of your liking, so that you can enhance your learning and critical thinking skill. After earning the degree, pick your career path and receive specialized training for it.

By the way, most specialist position require at least a degree. They want candidates with general education as well as technical skills. Apparently, they believe college education is the foundation in any profession.
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Backstaber · 06-01-2008, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battery

Many people ignorantly believe that the college you attend determines your career path. Your parents and you mistakenly think you have to pick your career now.

Very true, a few years ago when I was a freshman a few people I knew who were seniors went into college doing what they thought they were going to do, and ended up doing something completely different. One went in to become a doctor and came out wanting to become a teacher and is currently in school for it.

!nF3D4L · 06-01-2008, 02:11 AM

yea, i completely understand that, if i wasn't a little pussy i would just grad and open my studio but i don't think thats the smartest thing to do

Rutabeggar · 06-01-2008, 02:20 AM

I think you should dabble in a few things for awhile...I went to a 2-year school when I first started college in pursuit of an associates in Computer Science...I have that now, but I completely changed my mind and now I'm going for my certification to be a high school history teacher.

Anthraxium[WU] · 06-01-2008, 06:27 AM

recieving a bachelors degree (either BA or BS) is definitely NOT just continuing general education...

an AA is what you might be thinking of. To achieve a BS or BA you you to satisfy gen. ed. requirements, but there are also usually something like 36+ credits of major specific upper division classes which the general population have no familiarity with.

Its tough trying to figure out what you want to be for your entire life right now. Im sure you've heard the saying that people change their major an average of 4 times while in college. My advice would be to take a few different things at college. Its easier for you to jump right into college from high school. Many people never go back to school if they take some time off.

By taking a few classes, you can see if anything sparks your interest. You say that you want to join the media arts program at sheridan, but what if that choice is one of the 4 you change your mind about. You see it as your parents are wrong, but it could possibly be that what you want right now, might not be what you will want later. It goes both ways, ya know?

I would suggest that you get into the best college you can, even if it's just a JC, but at the same time get into somewhere that provides flexibility with a wide range of class options and test out a bunch of things.

battery · 06-01-2008, 08:22 AM

Let me warn you that those upper division classes provide very cursory knowledge in a particular field of study. They are the "depth" requirement of your college education.

If you plan to get a doctoral degree in chemistry, physics, or engineering, you only need a science major. Graduate schools will accept you. If you aim for medical school, then you need to major in chemistry or biology. For law school, business school, education school, art school, or even the military, your college major means nothing as long as you get good GPA.

Do try to get into elite colleges. The Ivy League school allows you to form social connections with the rich families, which is priceless. It's not about what you know, but who you know.

A reputable college gives you an unfair advantage when it comes to salary and promotion. A big plus. Get it! It doesn't conflict with doing what you truly love.
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uBeR · 06-01-2008, 02:23 PM

We need a new poll: Who's more nonsense, bettery or DH?

Innoc · 06-01-2008, 02:34 PM

While a BS or BA might not have much bearing on what you think you might do now and you might not know many or any people who've actually worked in the field for which they studied there is definitely value in having that BA/BS. It can give you a competitive edge against other job seekers later in life. There are a great many companies that will not even consider you if you don't have that BA or BS.

Interestingly, I have a buddy who was attending Cal Poly @ Pomona for architecture. He was a junior when he decided to go to a technical school for music engineering. He ended up working as a lighting engineer in a casino for 13 years or so. He's actually returned to school and is working to complete a BS again as he topped out insofar as how high he could advance.

Look, there are tons of stories about how people can be wildly successful without a degree. Those are the driven and entrepreneurial people who would have been successful regardless of the situation. If you don't think you fit into that category then a degree is a good component to have...even if you do not, ultimately, end up in the field that you studied.

SSCUJO · 06-01-2008, 04:16 PM

you guys realize in Canada they actually make a distinction between Collages and universities. they don't just call them all collages like they do in the states.

and since he's actually going to a collage and not a university, he will be getting a diploma and not a degree. this is great if you want to start your own company, or do any sort of trades work, the hands on knowledge you will get from sheriden will get you a job in the field you like, but not a very good one, and there will be little to no room for moving up.

if you decide to get a degree in and then follow it up with a 2 year program at a collage i think you will put yourself in the best case scenario. this coming from a person who is in the system currently, and has looked at all the angles.

!nF3D4L · 06-01-2008, 05:32 PM

i don't know if i should take advice from a guy who spells college wrong

SSCUJO · 06-01-2008, 05:51 PM

they don't teach you how to spell in university or college... just remember that

Ihmhi · 06-01-2008, 06:00 PM

Stonemasons make $25-$75 hour, blue collar (i.e. not salaried, you get overtime) and usually have good benefits. Starting pay is around $15. All the experience is on-the-job training and you don't go to school for it.

The value of a college education is, what, making like $30K starting and paying off $100K in college loans? Not always the smartest path.

greenday5494 · 06-01-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

We need a new poll: Who's more nonsense, bettery or DH?

battery's an annoying person that is one of those douches who benches all day long. DH is more original. but cant type.

Innoc · 06-01-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SSCUJO

you guys realize in Canada they actually make a distinction between Collages and universities. they don't just call them all collages like they do in the states.

and since he's actually going to a collage and not a university, he will be getting a diploma and not a degree. this is great if you want to start your own company, or do any sort of trades work, the hands on knowledge you will get from sheriden will get you a job in the field you like, but not a very good one, and there will be little to no room for moving up.

if you decide to get a degree in and then follow it up with a 2 year program at a collage i think you will put yourself in the best case scenario. this coming from a person who is in the system currently, and has looked at all the angles.

There is some distinction between a college and a university in the US as well though it's not, typically, highlighted as much. You will find that, at a college, you can receive a 2 year degree. You can also receive diplomas and completion certificates as well but the Associates Degree is available in certain areas. There are a number of classes that would not apply to an actual degree program and, for which, you'd receive no credit if you transfer to a 4 year University.

However, in the states, the distinction between College and University is mostly semantics as they are often used interchangeably.

uBeR · 06-01-2008, 06:50 PM

Most of it is just nominal. For example, within my university, there are multiple "colleges," for example the college of business. However, two-year schools are never called universities here. But a a four-year school is sometimes called a college (e.g. "I'm going to college"), but usually a university.

**Crazycarl** · 06-01-2008, 06:53 PM

The problem with going to college right away is you can be two years into a degree and still have no idea what your chosen profession is really like. Many people get burned out for this reason and quit, or switch majors repeatedly. If you can get any job now related to recording or media I say take it for the experience and contacts. If you have done the research and you feel you are competent enough to get the recording studio off the ground, that will be a worthy education in itself.

In the meantime you can still take classes part time. Community colleges will save you a lot of money while you get general requirements out of the way. Just check with your chosen university beforehand so you know the classes will transfer.

Innoc · 06-01-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazycarl

Just check with your chosen university beforehand so you know the classes will transfer.

qfe

06-01-2008, 01:10 AM	#2
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Many people ignorantly believe that the college you attend determines your career path. Your parents and you mistakenly think you have to pick your career now. College is nothing more than an extension of general education. You are not really specializing in anything while you are working for a bachelor degree. My suggestion is get a degree in any major of your liking, so that you can enhance your learning and critical thinking skill. After earning the degree, pick your career path and receive specialized training for it. By the way, most specialist position require at least a degree. They want candidates with general education as well as technical skills. Apparently, they believe college education is the foundation in any profession. ________ ASS SKINNY Last edited by battery; 03-31-2011 at 11:55 AM.

06-01-2008, 08:22 AM	#7
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Let me warn you that those upper division classes provide very cursory knowledge in a particular field of study. They are the "depth" requirement of your college education. If you plan to get a doctoral degree in chemistry, physics, or engineering, you only need a science major. Graduate schools will accept you. If you aim for medical school, then you need to major in chemistry or biology. For law school, business school, education school, art school, or even the military, your college major means nothing as long as you get good GPA. Do try to get into elite colleges. The Ivy League school allows you to form social connections with the rich families, which is priceless. It's not about what you know, but who you know. A reputable college gives you an unfair advantage when it comes to salary and promotion. A big plus. Get it! It doesn't conflict with doing what you truly love. ________ RHODE ISLAND MEDICAL MARIJUANA Last edited by battery; 03-31-2011 at 11:55 AM.

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uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	We need a new poll: Who's more nonsense, bettery or DH? __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

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Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	While a BS or BA might not have much bearing on what you think you might do now and you might not know many or any people who've actually worked in the field for which they studied there is definitely value in having that BA/BS. It can give you a competitive edge against other job seekers later in life. There are a great many companies that will not even consider you if you don't have that BA or BS. Interestingly, I have a buddy who was attending Cal Poly @ Pomona for architecture. He was a junior when he decided to go to a technical school for music engineering. He ended up working as a lighting engineer in a casino for 13 years or so. He's actually returned to school and is working to complete a BS again as he topped out insofar as how high he could advance. Look, there are tons of stories about how people can be wildly successful without a degree. Those are the driven and entrepreneurial people who would have been successful regardless of the situation. If you don't think you fit into that category then a degree is a good component to have...even if you do not, ultimately, end up in the field that you studied. __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

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06-01-2008, 02:20 AM	#5
Rutabeggar D&A Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think you should dabble in a few things for awhile...I went to a 2-year school when I first started college in pursuit of an associates in Computer Science...I have that now, but I completely changed my mind and now I'm going for my certification to be a high school history teacher.

06-01-2008, 06:27 AM	#6
Anthraxium[WU] D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego Class/Position: D Soldier Affiliations: Notorious WU Tang Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	recieving a bachelors degree (either BA or BS) is definitely NOT just continuing general education... an AA is what you might be thinking of. To achieve a BS or BA you you to satisfy gen. ed. requirements, but there are also usually something like 36+ credits of major specific upper division classes which the general population have no familiarity with. Its tough trying to figure out what you want to be for your entire life right now. Im sure you've heard the saying that people change their major an average of 4 times while in college. My advice would be to take a few different things at college. Its easier for you to jump right into college from high school. Many people never go back to school if they take some time off. By taking a few classes, you can see if anything sparks your interest. You say that you want to join the media arts program at sheridan, but what if that choice is one of the 4 you change your mind about. You see it as your parents are wrong, but it could possibly be that what you want right now, might not be what you will want later. It goes both ways, ya know? I would suggest that you get into the best college you can, even if it's just a JC, but at the same time get into somewhere that provides flexibility with a wide range of class options and test out a bunch of things.

06-01-2008, 04:16 PM	#10
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you guys realize in Canada they actually make a distinction between Collages and universities. they don't just call them all collages like they do in the states. and since he's actually going to a collage and not a university, he will be getting a diploma and not a degree. this is great if you want to start your own company, or do any sort of trades work, the hands on knowledge you will get from sheriden will get you a job in the field you like, but not a very good one, and there will be little to no room for moving up. if you decide to get a degree in and then follow it up with a 2 year program at a collage i think you will put yourself in the best case scenario. this coming from a person who is in the system currently, and has looked at all the angles.

06-01-2008, 05:51 PM	#12
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	they don't teach you how to spell in university or college... just remember that

06-01-2008, 06:50 PM	#16
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Most of it is just nominal. For example, within my university, there are multiple "colleges," for example the college of business. However, two-year schools are never called universities here. But a a four-year school is sometimes called a college (e.g. "I'm going to college"), but usually a university. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

06-01-2008, 06:53 PM	#17
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	The problem with going to college right away is you can be two years into a degree and still have no idea what your chosen profession is really like. Many people get burned out for this reason and quit, or switch majors repeatedly. If you can get any job now related to recording or media I say take it for the experience and contacts. If you have done the research and you feel you are competent enough to get the recording studio off the ground, that will be a worthy education in itself. In the meantime you can still take classes part time. Community colleges will save you a lot of money while you get general requirements out of the way. Just check with your chosen university beforehand so you know the classes will transfer. __________________ Support FF:

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