Half-Life 2: Episode 3 may not see release until 2010 - Page 4

A Boojum Snark · 10-27-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by v3rtigo

You start out low and measly (you're running from them), then all of a sudden you fuck over some super heavily guarded prison/thing and basically become a superhero.

Isn't that basically the point of Half-Life in a nutshell?

Pretty much the same flow chart as HL1... you start out measly running from weird stuff coming from who knows where, you work your way around and end up being chosen to go to a heavily guarded alternate dimension and play superhero to save the world from Xen. :P

v3rtigo · 10-27-2008, 08:54 PM

You're right, but in Hl1, you're not constantly being reminded of it. In HL1 it's more like "Save us/Good luck Gordon" and that's it, until you go to Xen. Until then, you know you are in deep shit and you have to give it your all to make up for the mess you caused. Only until you get to Xen, you kind of start realizing that then is when you can put an end to it all.

In HL2 it's more like

"OMG GORDON"
"Hey it's GORDON FREEMAN"
"stop GORDON FREEMAN"
"GORDON FREEMAN is the Anti-Chri...Citizen"
"Oh noes, GORDON FREEMAN stopped me"

All of a sudden it wasn't you doing all of that stuff, you were made to do it, as if everybody was pushing you in the directions you had to go, and I'm not talking about Gman.

"Daddy got captured, now YOU have to help me rescue him"

In HL1, at least it felt like you were making choices, you decided where the fuck you were going and no one was there to tell what they wanted or thought about anything. And if it counts for anything, you were doing it by yourself.

In HL2, you only had that in the beginning a bit, until you gained hero status and started raiding Nova Prospect, as if you stood a chance against the force that pretty much enslaved the earth. OOH antlions, I'm sure the rebels didn't think of that yet. But only YOU can do it, cos your god in this game. Then you lead a rebellion against the oppressors and destroy pretty much everything with a big boom. PRAISE FREEMAN.

That's why I like the episodes. You're back to where you started. People respect you, but you're no superman. That rocket thing in Ep2 was pretty cool, but then you get screwed over again, reminding you that you are not all that. I guess that's what's bothered me.

Also this

FrenchToast · 10-28-2008, 02:41 AM

Well I certainly never felt like a superhero in HL2... not sure what you're talking about.

You get to do the antlions because you have the grav gun and the ability to line shit up.

Not to mention that in HL1 every scientist you run into is 'Gordon! Thank god you're alive! You've got to get to the surface!' etc. etc. etc.

So... dunno what you're talkin aboot.

Suite307 · 10-28-2008, 05:58 PM

Failtigo. Seriously.

v3rtigo · 10-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Since when did I ask you to agree with me?

It's just how I experienced HL2. It wasn't bad, just didn't like the parts after Ravenholm. Didn't like the themes and story after that, I guess.

BinaryLife · 10-29-2008, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by v3rtigo

Since when did I ask you to agree with me?

It's just how I experienced HL2. It wasn't bad, just didn't like the parts after Ravenholm. Didn't like the themes and story after that, I guess.

The point of all that stuff is that people turn to you because you are a symbol. Think about it, you don't ever speak, you just show up and start radically changing the ENTIRE WORLD in a very short time. Of course people who have been essential slaves to the machine look to you like you're a hero... perhaps it's because you ARE a hero. You saved their lives and the lives of their family. The reason point to you in the first place is because you've already proven yourself once before at being quite able to fight and kill and solve random puzzles. The resistance is being lead by the very scientists you've saved once before so you have a history.

Basically, it's not random or forced on you, it happens naturally and as a course of the game. I'm only frustrated because you seem dissapointed in the game and it feels like you missed something. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to give you shit or anything. Even if it seems like it. You've got a right to your opinion and that's really all we're talking about here. I'm just saying it seems like you're basing your opinion on something that's missing an important fact.

v3rtigo · 10-29-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BinaryLife

Basically, it's not random or forced on you, it happens naturally and as a course of the game.

I guess that's my problem. I just don't see myself (as Gordon) do crazy shit like assaulting Nova Prospect, so it just felt... wrong to me. Maybe I just don't lik the pressure of being a hero

Circuitous · 10-29-2008, 09:50 PM

That's why I play SMod. Events are time-scripted so you can just boot the fucking NPCs and still get shit done.

Doctor Zyo · 11-02-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

That's why I play SMod. Events are time-scripted so you can just boot the fucking NPCs and still get shit done.

Fuck yes, don't even let them open their mouths.

Pixel · 11-02-2008, 05:05 AM

After about 5 tries I finally did finish hl2. Finished it on god mode because it was so boring.

Started ep1... once

greenday5494 · 11-02-2008, 05:10 AM

wow, i guess im the only one here who loves HL's story telling, story, and atmosphere. i play HL for the story and some gameplay, and other games such as halo and TF for action

Pixel · 11-02-2008, 05:11 AM

When is Black Mesa going to be released?

FrenchToast · 11-02-2008, 06:08 AM

Hopefully soon. I'm playing HL again because it's honestly SO incredible, but as much as SI say I va;ue story over gameplaym I' d love tp lay that game updated.

Skanky Butterpuss · 11-02-2008, 09:12 AM

yeah thats really the only pc game im looking forward to... ever. hl2 bored me to the point where i couldnt finish it, and didnt bother to play the episodes. but ive beaten hl1 a few times all the way through, and would absolutely love to paly an updated version of it.

greenday5494 · 11-02-2008, 06:04 PM

they havent updated their website in quite a while though

פֿяαιп βαмαgεפ · 11-02-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

they havent updated their website in quite a while though

Busy as fuck if you ask me.

Skanky Butterpuss · 11-03-2008, 04:40 AM

lets hope

EvilIguana966 · 11-08-2008, 11:09 PM

Quite frankly, Valve seems to have development ADD, whereby they cannot focus on any one project till completion but instead must have several in the works by the same people at once. This is why you couldn't buy a new full sized Valve game last year, but rather Orange Box, which contained essentially 3 new small games (as well as the big game and it's first mini expansion). My problem is that different gamers have different desires, and not everyone who likes HL2 and the illogically named episodes will necessarily like portal or TF2, or necessarily want to buy them all at the same time. Sure you could buy only the pieces that you like, but then you end up paying way more than what they are worth, and you still have to wait longer for a continuation of the game in question.

greenday5494 · 11-09-2008, 02:30 AM

i thought the orange box was excellant

if you're complaining you only got 3 games for 50 bucks, look at GoW. It's 60 bucks, the single player is around the same as EP2, and the multiplayer less.

EvilIguana966 · 11-11-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

i thought the orange box was excellant

if you're complaining you only got 3 games for 50 bucks, look at GoW. It's 60 bucks, the single player is around the same as EP2, and the multiplayer less.

Orange box was a good deal, but if you happened to be uninterested in any part of it, you were faced with the fact that buying only the games you wanted was a very bad deal. If you didn't want TF2, for example, you would have ended up paying like 100 bucks for the privilege of buying everything but that one. I have no problem with the concept of bundling products and offering a better deal for the whole thing, but Valve took that concept to the extreme. As an analogy imagine if you go to the food store to buy cereal but Cheerios only comes bundled with a gallon of ice cream, 6 hot dogs, and a toothbrush. Sure it's a good deal for what you are getting but if you don't happen to like or need one or more of the products you end up getting annoyed. The other point is that Valve would spend less time on development and could release content faster if it didn't constantly divert effort to unrelated projects.

10-28-2008, 02:41 AM	#63
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Well I certainly never felt like a superhero in HL2... not sure what you're talking about. You get to do the antlions because you have the grav gun and the ability to line shit up. Not to mention that in HL1 every scientist you run into is 'Gordon! Thank god you're alive! You've got to get to the surface!' etc. etc. etc. So... dunno what you're talkin aboot. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

10-29-2008, 09:50 PM	#68
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	That's why I play SMod. Events are time-scripted so you can just boot the fucking NPCs and still get shit done. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-02-2008, 05:10 AM	#71
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	wow, i guess im the only one here who loves HL's story telling, story, and atmosphere. i play HL for the story and some gameplay, and other games such as halo and TF for action __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

11-02-2008, 06:08 AM	#73
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Hopefully soon. I'm playing HL again because it's honestly SO incredible, but as much as SI say I va;ue story over gameplaym I' d love tp lay that game updated. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

11-02-2008, 09:12 AM	#74
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeah thats really the only pc game im looking forward to... ever. hl2 bored me to the point where i couldnt finish it, and didnt bother to play the episodes. but ive beaten hl1 a few times all the way through, and would absolutely love to paly an updated version of it. __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

10-27-2008, 08:54 PM	#62
v3rtigo Lock 'n Loll! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 2fort Class/Position: Scout, Spy, Sniper Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You're right, but in Hl1, you're not constantly being reminded of it. In HL1 it's more like "Save us/Good luck Gordon" and that's it, until you go to Xen. Until then, you know you are in deep shit and you have to give it your all to make up for the mess you caused. Only until you get to Xen, you kind of start realizing that then is when you can put an end to it all. In HL2 it's more like "OMG GORDON" "Hey it's GORDON FREEMAN" "stop GORDON FREEMAN" "GORDON FREEMAN is the Anti-Chri...Citizen" "Oh noes, GORDON FREEMAN stopped me" All of a sudden it wasn't you doing all of that stuff, you were made to do it, as if everybody was pushing you in the directions you had to go, and I'm not talking about Gman. "Daddy got captured, now YOU have to help me rescue him" In HL1, at least it felt like you were making choices, you decided where the fuck you were going and no one was there to tell what they wanted or thought about anything. And if it counts for anything, you were doing it by yourself. In HL2, you only had that in the beginning a bit, until you gained hero status and started raiding Nova Prospect, as if you stood a chance against the force that pretty much enslaved the earth. OOH antlions, I'm sure the rebels didn't think of that yet. But only YOU can do it, cos your god in this game. Then you lead a rebellion against the oppressors and destroy pretty much everything with a big boom. PRAISE FREEMAN. That's why I like the episodes. You're back to where you started. People respect you, but you're no superman. That rocket thing in Ep2 was pretty cool, but then you get screwed over again, reminding you that you are not all that. I guess that's what's bothered me. Also this

10-28-2008, 05:58 PM	#64
Suite307 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Failtigo. Seriously.

10-28-2008, 07:48 PM	#65
v3rtigo Lock 'n Loll! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 2fort Class/Position: Scout, Spy, Sniper Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Since when did I ask you to agree with me? It's just how I experienced HL2. It wasn't bad, just didn't like the parts after Ravenholm. Didn't like the themes and story after that, I guess.

11-02-2008, 05:05 AM	#70
Pixel if(0>1){printf("broked");} Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amerika Class/Position: O Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	After about 5 tries I finally did finish hl2. Finished it on god mode because it was so boring. Started ep1... once

11-02-2008, 05:11 AM	#72
Pixel if(0>1){printf("broked");} Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amerika Class/Position: O Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	When is Black Mesa going to be released?

11-02-2008, 06:04 PM	#75
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	they havent updated their website in quite a while though __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

11-03-2008, 04:40 AM	#77
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	lets hope __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

11-08-2008, 11:09 PM	#78
EvilIguana966 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Quite frankly, Valve seems to have development ADD, whereby they cannot focus on any one project till completion but instead must have several in the works by the same people at once. This is why you couldn't buy a new full sized Valve game last year, but rather Orange Box, which contained essentially 3 new small games (as well as the big game and it's first mini expansion). My problem is that different gamers have different desires, and not everyone who likes HL2 and the illogically named episodes will necessarily like portal or TF2, or necessarily want to buy them all at the same time. Sure you could buy only the pieces that you like, but then you end up paying way more than what they are worth, and you still have to wait longer for a continuation of the game in question.

11-09-2008, 02:30 AM	#79
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i thought the orange box was excellant if you're complaining you only got 3 games for 50 bucks, look at GoW. It's 60 bucks, the single player is around the same as EP2, and the multiplayer less. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

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