Vinny going to be broadcasting our Matches soon! - Page 2

Credge · 04-02-2008, 09:14 PM

I used shoutcast for DJ'ng but I've never done live streaming video. I've been looking into it today and have only found sub-par results

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DISASSEMBLER · 04-02-2008, 11:56 PM

Delay the broadcast to match the Source TV delay.

SSCUJO · 04-03-2008, 12:51 PM

yea i could see this casuing alot of problems, i would love to hear vinny commentating, it would be funny as hell. but it has to be said that people will arguee against it, especially if he is commentating on his own matches. Fellas use a ventrillo server, and he could just as easily tie himself into the vent and the shoutcast, so that his clan mates hear everything live... this really has to be thought out carefully to take everything into consideration.

orrrrrrrrrrr we could try to figure out whats wrong with sourcetv and its insane lag, and he could just broadcast from that... with the time delay, like everyone else, so that no one complains.

Vicious · 04-03-2008, 12:52 PM

I don't think he'd be doing his own matches... He'll be playing in them.

Dr.Satan · 04-03-2008, 02:19 PM

The problem is that he doesn't really have to be watching his own...if he's broadcasting live...anyone with vent or TS can relay the info to their team. Some sort of delay would be necessary...

Vicious · 04-03-2008, 02:52 PM

I think that's a little extreme but I've never argued with the delay, only that I don't think he could cheat in his own matches like everyone's saying.

[AE] 82694 · 04-03-2008, 03:06 PM

Who has said he would cheat in his own matches? If I implied that my wording was wrong. But I agree with the admins that "The Broadcast" should be delayed to take the temptation of anybody trying to use it for their advantage away.

So far the only thing to work out from what I can see are two things,

1) How the delay will work.
2) getting permission from both clans involved in the match to be broadcast live.

VinnytheBoss · 04-03-2008, 05:11 PM

if teams dont agree ill stab the leader in the face wit a soldering iron

Vicious · 04-03-2008, 06:16 PM

What if their name is Joe Dirt?

Circuitous · 04-03-2008, 07:47 PM

Wouldn't it be easier to get someone who isn't actively clanning to do this?

I mean... that solves all the problems.

EquilibriuM · 04-03-2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

Wouldn't it be easier to get someone who isn't actively clanning to do this?

I mean... that solves all the problems.

no that wouldnt do shit who's to say someone doesnt talk to him and get him to jump in their vent its the internet trust noone.

Circuitous · 04-03-2008, 09:24 PM

So basically you're saying don't do it at all.

SSCUJO · 04-03-2008, 09:44 PM

i agree with EQ, even if i commentated on a match between two clans that nobody cared about, somebody would inveribally accuse the winner of cheating. every clan has a few members who always feel this way.

the best way to solve the problem is to not make the commentating live, give the commentator the same delay as sourcetv spectators.

**mervaka** · 04-03-2008, 11:02 PM

can i also raise a point here about the technical quality of commentary?

pc mics are shit. the rode podcaster is a broadcast mic with a usb interface built in. its perfect for this stuff.

hell, its even covered in the cheapo white apple iPlastic

http://www.dv247.com/invt/35480/

VinnytheBoss · 04-04-2008, 12:54 AM

the mic i have isnt shit...my mic sounds awesome...i have done broadcasting for pwnage tv and the mic I use now rapes..

and honeestly...how the fuck am i gonna help any team out??? I am gonna be too busy trying to talk about whats going on in the match...as far as what the defense setup is and what not...

just make the "MOTW" broadcasted and done on lets say a thursday night..give it a delay and vwa lah....jerk offs

Circuitous · 04-04-2008, 02:53 AM

Really I don't care if you do it, and while you're doing it you're also piped live directly to the clans in the match and they can hear every word. It's not like anything a team can do is going to be a quantifiable surprise for more than five seconds.

This isn't CS, where a player can hide and do some damage on an unsuspecting player, this is two guys persistently running into three guys who are pretty much always in the exact same position as they were last run.

Clanplay sounds real exciting when reduced to its base components.

Dr.Satan · 04-04-2008, 05:20 AM

It's really not though and there is enough that it is a concern...either the broadcasting needs to be delayed to the public (ie: What vinny is saying isn't heard for at least 1min) or what vinny is watching needs to be delayed.

It's essentially like having a wall hack if it's live...if I'm in TS / vent I can tell my O guy that blah defender just went for resup and to go that way...that's one of a million different possibilities for how you could exploit this.

Bottom line is that it wont happen for UGC unless he can delay it one way or another.

VinnytheBoss · 04-04-2008, 06:01 AM

1 minute delay is no problem.

Skillet · 04-04-2008, 07:43 AM

Im sure shoutcast can put in a 1 minute delay, anyone here with experience in shoutcast? He should be in game spectating, source TV is horrid.

Vinny, that is a great idea, MOTW. I am sure everybody would download that mp3, we should save the shows so we can archive this. It's going to be big, we just need to get it rolling.

Please anyone that knows about how to work shoutcast and broadcast and delay it please pm me or Vinny in irc, #kbn or #goodfellas.

Skillet

**squeek.** · 04-04-2008, 10:00 AM

I'll be tuning in.

04-02-2008, 09:14 PM	#21
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	I used shoutcast for DJ'ng but I've never done live streaming video. I've been looking into it today and have only found sub-par results . __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

04-03-2008, 02:19 PM	#25
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	The problem is that he doesn't really have to be watching his own...if he's broadcasting live...anyone with vent or TS can relay the info to their team. Some sort of delay would be necessary... __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-03-2008, 03:06 PM	#27
[AE] 82694 Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Who has said he would cheat in his own matches? If I implied that my wording was wrong. But I agree with the admins that "The Broadcast" should be delayed to take the temptation of anybody trying to use it for their advantage away. So far the only thing to work out from what I can see are two things, 1) How the delay will work. 2) getting permission from both clans involved in the match to be broadcast live. __________________ I Love GenghisTron . I miss you sooooo Much. LOL.

04-03-2008, 07:47 PM	#30
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Wouldn't it be easier to get someone who isn't actively clanning to do this? I mean... that solves all the problems. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

04-03-2008, 09:24 PM	#32
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	So basically you're saying don't do it at all. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

04-02-2008, 11:56 PM	#22
DISASSEMBLER Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Delay the broadcast to match the Source TV delay.

04-03-2008, 12:51 PM	#23
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yea i could see this casuing alot of problems, i would love to hear vinny commentating, it would be funny as hell. but it has to be said that people will arguee against it, especially if he is commentating on his own matches. Fellas use a ventrillo server, and he could just as easily tie himself into the vent and the shoutcast, so that his clan mates hear everything live... this really has to be thought out carefully to take everything into consideration. orrrrrrrrrrr we could try to figure out whats wrong with sourcetv and its insane lag, and he could just broadcast from that... with the time delay, like everyone else, so that no one complains.

04-03-2008, 12:52 PM	#24
Vicious Nothing left to believe in Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I don't think he'd be doing his own matches... He'll be playing in them.

04-03-2008, 02:52 PM	#26
Vicious Nothing left to believe in Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think that's a little extreme but I've never argued with the delay, only that I don't think he could cheat in his own matches like everyone's saying.

04-03-2008, 05:11 PM	#28
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	if teams dont agree ill stab the leader in the face wit a soldering iron

04-03-2008, 06:16 PM	#29
Vicious Nothing left to believe in Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What if their name is Joe Dirt?

04-03-2008, 09:44 PM	#33
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i agree with EQ, even if i commentated on a match between two clans that nobody cared about, somebody would inveribally accuse the winner of cheating. every clan has a few members who always feel this way. the best way to solve the problem is to not make the commentating live, give the commentator the same delay as sourcetv spectators.

04-03-2008, 11:02 PM	#34
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	can i also raise a point here about the technical quality of commentary? pc mics are shit. the rode podcaster is a broadcast mic with a usb interface built in. its perfect for this stuff. hell, its even covered in the cheapo white apple iPlastic http://www.dv247.com/invt/35480/

04-04-2008, 12:54 AM	#35
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	the mic i have isnt shit...my mic sounds awesome...i have done broadcasting for pwnage tv and the mic I use now rapes.. and honeestly...how the fuck am i gonna help any team out??? I am gonna be too busy trying to talk about whats going on in the match...as far as what the defense setup is and what not... just make the "MOTW" broadcasted and done on lets say a thursday night..give it a delay and vwa lah....jerk offs

04-04-2008, 02:53 AM	#36
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Really I don't care if you do it, and while you're doing it you're also piped live directly to the clans in the match and they can hear every word. It's not like anything a team can do is going to be a quantifiable surprise for more than five seconds. This isn't CS, where a player can hide and do some damage on an unsuspecting player, this is two guys persistently running into three guys who are pretty much always in the exact same position as they were last run. Clanplay sounds real exciting when reduced to its base components. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

04-04-2008, 05:20 AM	#37
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	It's really not though and there is enough that it is a concern...either the broadcasting needs to be delayed to the public (ie: What vinny is saying isn't heard for at least 1min) or what vinny is watching needs to be delayed. It's essentially like having a wall hack if it's live...if I'm in TS / vent I can tell my O guy that blah defender just went for resup and to go that way...that's one of a million different possibilities for how you could exploit this. Bottom line is that it wont happen for UGC unless he can delay it one way or another. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-04-2008, 06:01 AM	#38
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	1 minute delay is no problem.

04-04-2008, 07:43 AM	#39
Skillet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Im sure shoutcast can put in a 1 minute delay, anyone here with experience in shoutcast? He should be in game spectating, source TV is horrid. Vinny, that is a great idea, MOTW. I am sure everybody would download that mp3, we should save the shows so we can archive this. It's going to be big, we just need to get it rolling. Please anyone that knows about how to work shoutcast and broadcast and delay it please pm me or Vinny in irc, #kbn or #goodfellas. Skillet

04-04-2008, 10:00 AM	#40
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	I'll be tuning in. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

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