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Bush is not a true American...he's committed treason and should go to prison for what he's done. The crime - Openly letting another country to frolic into the U.S. and do as they please, while spitting on the American citizen. |
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02-20-2007, 10:39 PM | #62 |
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We're not leaving until we win the war on the terrorist. Bush is Gold, fuck off.
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02-20-2007, 10:43 PM | #63 |
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Erm, if I could just chime in here and not get flamed for where I'm from for a second...
Innoc, I think the point is that regardless of whether or not US Troops are actually spread thin, if the media portrays US troops as being spread thin, it'll be what people believe, thus giving other peoples a soapbox. Y'know what I mean? |
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Allah is fake, so why not.
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The paranoia inspired by the media both in the UK and the USA never ceases to amaze me, also the fact people are influenced by it still suprises me. Its like people have never heard of propaganda and the fact governments pull the strings of the media. Free press is a blatent lie to cover up an obvious truth.
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Exactly what place do you think a revived Soviet Union would put the US in since the US "needs" to be put there? The Soviet Union was unsustainable before and I can't see it being sustainable again in the manner suggested by the topic. |
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Your true colors have shown it all. I wouldn't wish something like what you just said on any democracy, no matter how powerful they may or may not be. Are you pro terrorist? Do you have sympathy for those terrorist thugs? Did you jump up and down in glee and do a cheer when the World Trade Center Towers were knocked down by the terrorists?? Do you realise that, that same terrorist organisation wouldn't think twice about killing you and your family with a meschede or other means?? The terrorists will not stop until they kill you and me and everybody else they consider infidels. You keep calling me an idiot...Sounds like the table has turned to YOU as being a total dolt. Think before you speak Oh HATER of the U.S. for whatever reason you deem necessary to hate so much. |
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If there was a hell beneath hell, thats where this topic has gone.
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02-20-2007, 11:57 PM | #72 |
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Haven't you already withdrawn yourself from this thread about a page ago?
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It's unbecoming to see people commit blatant and brainless trolling, but more unbecoming to see people become dissuaded and succumb to this simple and boorish trolling, whereas a simple ignore suffices.
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To provide Americans with the highest level ofI think the key word here is employs Innoc- not everyone in the military is an actual combat trooper. I think these numbers combine combat troops with bureaucratic, intelligence, support, and other non-combat units under military employ who are nonetheless not "civilian". Also, in the Navy, Air Force, etc. the number of support people to actual combat troops is a pretty steep ratio. Takes a lot of guys to keep run an aircraft carrier, and none of them are setting foot in Iraq. When it comes down to it, there are probably more guys pushing pens than holding guns. And I don't mean that as a criticism; those people are important. But we're talking available boots on the ground here. Maybe we should poke around some more? I'm genuinely curious about this issue. The other thing we need to know, in addition to the total number of troops, is how many are "committed" elsewhere- how many are stationed at permanent bases around the world and in the US, and not available to be shipped out somewhere else. Many generals and analysts have been saying this is an issue for the last couple years, I don't see why they would be making it up. Also, a lot of the troops sent out are reserve and national guard who are not meant for this kind of prolonged deployment. This is another issue that article I linked addresses. [edit] Found some more stats on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...onnel_deployed Finding it difficult to get what I'm looking for, though. :/ Last edited by o_jinx; 02-21-2007 at 01:40 AM. |
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I also know that troops stationed all around the world are involved with mission support in Iraq even if they are not included in the count of those actually stationed in Iraq. With the Generals and Analysts that comment you have to be very guarded in taking what they say at face value and you also have to be clear about the context in which their comment should be placed. I think you're going to find that some of those analysts who say we're stretched thin are referring to the thin number of troops actually in Iraq expected to accomplish the assigned mission. This is related, I believe, to the surge that Bush has ordered recently. Don't get me wrong, I think the manner in which this conflict has been prosecuted has been absolutely retarded...but then you would have screamed alot louder had I been the one calling the shots. |
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And I finally found the stats we are looking for, I believe, on the DoD's website: http://siadapp.dior.whs.mil/personne...ARY/Miltop.htm It lays out not just numbers, but locations as well. Most up-to-date is Sept 2006 I think. Total Worldwide: 1,384,96 Of that about 1,100 are deployed in the US & its territories. Add in those stationed around the globe, and it starts to look pretty "thin". The real question, I suppose, is how many of those troops in the US and other posts are "available" for deployment to Iraq or elsewhere. Given the number of reserve and national guard troops we've had to send and keep in Iraq, I'm thinking not many...? "Don't get me wrong, I think the manner in which this conflict has been prosecuted has been absolutely retarded...but then you would have screamed alot louder had I been the one calling the shots." Yeah, even if you think we should be there, I don't see how anyone could deny how badly it was (or wasn't) planned out. The general in charge now is actually one of the better guys, and is trained in counter-insurgency tactics (they talk a lot about how well he did in Fiasco, he was one of the few bright spots). I'm worried that it's too little too late, though... :/ And that bit about me screaming louder if it was you in charge I don't get...?! Last edited by o_jinx; 02-21-2007 at 02:06 AM. |
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