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Yeah but this will turn into bullshit either way.
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What he said, I been on these forum for so long and I seen it happen so many times but w/e I'll just keep out again
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Most human beings do have a natural born compassion and emotion which other animals do not have. It's that compassion that has lead many humans to believing that we are not animals. We are in fact no different than wolves that hunt in packs as far as nature is concerned.
Personally I do believe in God, but I really don't think that any human can full understand or conceptualize* such an existence. (*I'm pretty sure I made that word up, but whatever) I'm kinda with Scuzzy though, on the mentality of athiests. They accept nature as their power, not god. Nature being the great equalizer. There is nothing any human being can do to fight against an ever changing world of disease, hazzardous weather, and changing enviornments. We just like the most basic of animals have to cope with nature. Survival of the fittest goes against compassion. Think about it. When you watch those nature shows that have a wolf chasing down its prey. Do you feel bad when the cute little bunny babies get captured and killed? Do you morn for them? What about the wolf, if it didn't eat those bunnys, cute as they may be, it will die of starvation. Nature is the great equalizer. |
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My views on good and evil are that they are human concepts. I hate people who fit the definition of evil and enjoy the presence of (most) people who could be called good. With that said, I don't like to get into the right/wrong debate, it is stupid. It is okay to say some is wrong or right according to our system of beliefs but a true right and wrong completely violates the very laws of nature which are neutral and indifferent to the core. If God spoke to us and said "this is what is right and what is wrong" then sure, it made the universe it is the boss. Until the day we communicate with God, no such thing as true right and true wrong. |
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Scuzzy, a voice of logic.
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Atheism makes a criminal not.
Morals are not derived from religion. Morals are derived from what is socially acceptable. Hey, let's bring in some biblical morals in here, eh? How 'bout we go out and stone some adulteresses! Or hey, I know, let's go kill the Amaelikites... again. I am generally a nice guy, pretty much a law abiding citizen, and I would not harm someone without just cause. I pay my taxes, I vote, and I volunteer at a local church because my friend is a Pastor. But I don't believe in God, and probably never will. Does that make me amoral? BTW, I just brought this topic up NOT to start a debate but because I found the image of Kirk Cameron in a religious debate deliciously amusing. And remember, Ray Comfort challenged the atheists to the debate, not the other way around. This will be interesting to say the least.
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Again, you're taking this as I am attacking you when I am not in any way attacking you. I've simply stated the true definition of what atheism is and having a discussion on it. I'm not looking to insult you, Scuzzy
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Why are you so irritating/condescending? There is something about you that i cannot figure out.
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oh theres a god or a higher power all right, you can bet ur starbucks latte on that. the universe is too amazing for there not to be. i just dont know what it is.
certaintly isn't hindu/christian/buddhist/insert religion here however. thats man made stuff. |
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Buddhism is a non theistic religion, don't put them in that list. And to say you know for sure if incorrect as well, it is quite possible there is and it is compelling but in the end we are still sitting on a rock in the vast ocean of space and guessing. Your's is the same kind of guess as their's, saying that it is guaranteed.
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buddhism still has deities tho. hence why its included. i get what u were meaning tho.
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What kind of atheism is this??? You are probably finding him annoying because I believe he said that atheists have no compassion and base all of their decisions on their own interests. If you want an evolutionary explanation of compassion try this: We are a social primate/ pack animal we have to create and nuture realationships in the same way as other social/ pack animals. We are also self-aware, we are aware of our own behaviour. We can feel pain, and with our awareness, we can appreciate (quite well) how others must be feeling when they are in pain, we can even share their distress, this is known as empathy. We can appreciate the situation of others with our empathy and we can then attempt to alleviate their situation too, this is compassion. To state that atheists do not have compassion or that compassion can only come from religion is quite wrong. |
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I do not know why you guys are disagreeing with Scuzzy. Your morals are a social construct, not a divine requisite, according to the naturalistic idea of atheism. Maybe you guys are somehow thinking that because morality is not natural phenomenon that you are somehow not moral. I don't think this is what Scuzzy is saying at all.
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this is also much how i think, though i do not label myself anything other than "Me." i am very sorry if anyone assumed i was claiming that THIS is what atheism was... one atheist is not the same as the next, yet they both label themselves atheists... hence my label of "Me" or my lack of a label. it works the same for christians... most "christians" i know "sin" hourly and then go to confession at mass every sunday to be forgiven for a weeks worth of sinning. why not just do what you want and not waste your time with confession or mass? so the priest says you are forgiven... what does he know? he's never met god. i've been religion free for over 15 years and i am doing just fine... Quote:
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