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Sh4x · 03-25-2009, 05:37 PM

Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers.

Honestly I don't understand how it can work though.

Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped.

Am I missing something?

Anshinritsumai · 03-25-2009, 06:08 PM

It's a nice concept, better than what the Phantom had going for it; but still, I just can't see it lasting any longer than the Phantom did...

Oh yea, there's beta signups on the onlive website...

OneManArmy · 03-25-2009, 08:07 PM

They'll got to have a monster-like back-end for that....

Sh4x · 03-25-2009, 09:03 PM

Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

Mooga · 03-26-2009, 04:55 AM

We'll see.
I'm still worried about noticeable lag and bandwidth issues.

I also want to know what they call a "low end computer." Is a 1.2GHz P3 low end or is a 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of ram low end?

Also, their pricing scares me. Rent for 15 min? I hope they think like valve and realize that CHEAPER is better then more expensive. If it's 10 bucks to rent a game for an hour or 60 bucks to buy the game, they've done little more but give people a free xBox. Sure, a free xBox is great, but where we are currently, price is the key.

xks · 03-26-2009, 03:22 PM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

Sh4x · 03-26-2009, 09:27 PM

Heh, it does sound too good to be true.

SkullBash · 03-31-2009, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xks

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

That dude is missing a couple of concepts.

-=bingo-bango=- · 03-26-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh4x

Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

yea, fuck those Americans ...wait wut.......

anyways. Heres the demo from GDC
linkzors

Im guessing theyve done some fancy shit over the past couple of years (theyve been working on it for 7 years *cough cough*) to where they probably think it will work

Quote:

Originally Posted by xks

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

...im totally saving that, it will be fun to look back on and see how wrong or how right it is

OneManArmy · 03-27-2009, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh4x

Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers.

Honestly I don't understand how it can work though.

Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped.

Am I missing something?

Ping is the time you send packet and get response from server. You'll get exactly the same network lag as you could get by playing FF

Mooga · 03-27-2009, 12:58 PM

Lag on a server and lag between CONTROLS is very different.
You can live with lag on a server.
Log on the controls makes a game 100% UNPLAYABLE.

Pressing forward should move you forward instantly, not 2 seconds later.
As a network guy, I don't see this actually working as expected.

Sh4x · 03-27-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneManArmy

Ping is the time you send packet and get response from server. You'll get exactly the same network lag as you could get by playing FF

Right. I didn't think hard enough before posting lol.

But like Mooga pointed out, network lag might be the same but lag on controls is a different beast. So let's say you ping 60 to the server, that means you'll get a 30ms delay on controls right? That would probably be very noticeable in any fast paced game and make it almost unplayable.

OneManArmy · 03-27-2009, 03:30 PM

Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

Etzell · 03-27-2009, 03:53 PM

Good luck... but there's so much room for catastrophic failure and so little room for success... I'll be surprised if it's anything more than a fun curiosity that fades rather quickly.

Hype · 04-01-2009, 04:38 PM

I have no fucking idea how it works but if this whould work this whould be awesome.

Everything · 04-01-2009, 06:31 PM

It's just would, without the h.

Sh4x · 03-27-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneManArmy

Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

Ya that's the problem.

Demasu · 03-27-2009, 10:17 PM

I signed up for the beta, hopefully I get in it, and if I do, I'll be sure to let you all know. I am very reserved about it all though, like everyone's said, it's basically too good to be true. But who knows, we might all be pleasantly surprised.

Paft · 12-22-2010, 05:47 PM

Bump.

I just registerd: http://www.onlive.com/games/success

Mooga · 03-28-2009, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneManArmy

Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

Yes, but unless you have a direct fiber line to their data center... expect some type of lag.

03-25-2009, 06:08 PM	#2
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03-26-2009, 04:55 AM	#5
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	We'll see. I'm still worried about noticeable lag and bandwidth issues. I also want to know what they call a "low end computer." Is a 1.2GHz P3 low end or is a 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of ram low end? Also, their pricing scares me. Rent for 15 min? I hope they think like valve and realize that CHEAPER is better then more expensive. If it's 10 bucks to rent a game for an hour or 60 bucks to buy the game, they've done little more but give people a free xBox. Sure, a free xBox is great, but where we are currently, price is the key. __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

03-27-2009, 12:58 PM	#11
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Lag on a server and lag between CONTROLS is very different. You can live with lag on a server. Log on the controls makes a game 100% UNPLAYABLE. Pressing forward should move you forward instantly, not 2 seconds later. As a network guy, I don't see this actually working as expected. __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

04-01-2009, 04:38 PM	#15
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03-27-2009, 10:17 PM	#18
Demasu Official FF Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I signed up for the beta, hopefully I get in it, and if I do, I'll be sure to let you all know. I am very reserved about it all though, like everyone's said, it's basically too good to be true. But who knows, we might all be pleasantly surprised. __________________ Some ER Trauma Doctor: Which way did he point the gun? Was it towards the front of your face or the back of your face? ...and you wonder why I love doctors.

03-25-2009, 05:37 PM	#1
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers. Honestly I don't understand how it can work though. Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped. Am I missing something?

03-25-2009, 08:07 PM	#3
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They'll got to have a monster-like back-end for that....

03-25-2009, 09:03 PM	#4
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

03-26-2009, 03:22 PM	#6
xks Exceedingly Correct. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London, England. Class/Position: Variable Gametype: QuakeLive CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

03-26-2009, 09:27 PM	#7
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Heh, it does sound too good to be true.

03-27-2009, 03:30 PM	#13
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

03-27-2009, 03:53 PM	#14
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Good luck... but there's so much room for catastrophic failure and so little room for success... I'll be surprised if it's anything more than a fun curiosity that fades rather quickly.

04-01-2009, 06:31 PM	#16
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	It's just would, without the h.

12-22-2010, 05:47 PM	#19
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