Big oil spillz

[GenghisTron]

Originally Posted by stray kitten

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...leum_companies

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[stray kitten]

Originally Posted by GenghisTron

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Not many oil companies are American.

[GenghisTron]

Originally Posted by stray kitten

Not many oil companies are American.

What's your point? The simple fact is, no one (in the mainsteam media) is talking about how a foreign corporation is drilling oil in our territory, avoiding our regulations (abusing maritime loopholes), bribing our regulators and legislators, and on top of all that, they have ruined the commercial sea food business, where our country gets the overwhelming majority of certain types of seafood (most notably shrimp) and are ruining the coastline ecology.

*puts on blinders*

This is all Obama's fault for not reacting fast enough

*takes off blinders*

...the stupidity in this country is staggering.

[GenghisTron]

On the topic of wind energy;

http://www.bostonherald.com/business...sition=emailed

[stray kitten]

Originally Posted by GenghisTron

What's your point? The simple fact is, no one (in the mainsteam media) is talking about how a foreign corporation is drilling oil in our territory, avoiding our regulations (abusing maritime loopholes), bribing our regulators and legislators, and on top of all that, they have ruined the commercial sea food business, where our country gets the overwhelming majority of certain types of seafood (most notably shrimp) and are ruining the coastline ecology.

*puts on blinders*

This is all Obama's fault for not reacting fast enough

*takes off blinders*

...the stupidity in this country is staggering.

blinders.... the whole obama thing is partisan payback for 10 years of Bush Derangement syndrome. We both know this would have been a major 24/7 media storm from the very first minute this happened if Bush was president. As it is 5 days into it and people are like, shit. We better start doing something. But my point has nothing to do with media. You act surprised foreign companies are drilling here.

You were complaining that it's a foreign oil company. Most of the large companies aren't American so we are going to have foreign companies here. It's like every other industry, we killed them off with retard politicians.

[GenghisTron]

Originally Posted by stray kitten

blinders.... the whole obama thing is partisan payback for 10 years of Bush Derangement syndrome. We both know this would have been a major 24/7 media storm from the very first minute this happened if Bush was president. As it is 5 days into it and people are like, shit. We better start doing something.

When you say things like 'payback', it makes it hard to take you seriously. I realize that Bush was unfairly treated by the media, but returning the favor by flinging equally bad-smelling poo back is not the answer, and it makes your bias show.

Originally Posted by stray kitten

But my point has nothing to do with media. You act surprised foreign companies are drilling here.

You were complaining that it's a foreign oil company. Most of the large companies aren't American so we are going to have foreign companies here. It's like every other industry, we killed them off with retard politicians.

Not really. I'm more surprised that we're allowing foreign oil companies to act like children, and they're on the verge of getting away with it. Their feet need to be held closely to the fire, and anything less than full accountability is not acceptable. Brb, watching Republican senators from Alaska screw everything up (who also endorse drilling in ANWR, no surprise there).

[stray kitten]

Your bias shows by insinuating that I want payback. I was talking about the "new" media not me. Even I can see it's payback. But I am not the one saying it. In fact I don't think I have mentioned it at all? Other than in response.

In regards to BP I don't think they are acting like children at all. They have been very responsive especially when placing this situation in context with other disasters. They got right in there while the government was masturbating over more regulations coming out

[BinaryLife]

Originally Posted by stray kitten

Your bias shows by insinuating that I want payback. I was talking about the "new" media not me. Even I can see it's payback. But I am not the one saying it. In fact I don't think I have mentioned it at all? Other than in response.

You wording was very personal in his quote. It was easy to interpret it the way did. I thought that way myself actually. And the whole thing goes both ways. Obama isn't a saint. He's made mistakes. But the things that he gets under fire for aren't his mistakes so much as him doing the same thing Bush did but to a lesser extreme. They cried when he appointed a few people instead of voting them in. They cried louder than anything. But Bush did the same thing to a much higher degree. And that small example is a great example because it demonstrates their mentality.

Over all I have democratic ideals. I wouldn't call myself a democrat because my concern is stronger towards who would run this country better than it is for how they would run it and if Pailin wasn't going to be VP I would have truly been happy either way. But the way the republicans are behaving in these past few years is ridiculous. It's worse then I have seen them before and you know it is. Don't pretend that their outrageous statements and claims don't also affect your credibility. You are defending their ideals and should be clear as to which idea you are defending and word it properly. Otherwise you end up appearing to be equally ignorant as these people when I think we both know your not.

[stray kitten]

And when the next president comes, the cries will reverse.

I don't think the republicans are any worse in their derangement than the dems were. The good news for dems perhaps is they have a smaller voice in the media.

[GenghisTron]

http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Wind+...ticle18641.htm

[uBeR]

Want to know what else kills birds?

[GenghisTron]

Yea, that's why we need nuclear power.

[Bridget]

[insert pictures of animals from Pripyat here]

[GenghisTron]

[insert pictures of Soviet Union here]

[insert pictures of failsafe at Three Mile Island working here]

[Innoc]

While you guys are clowning with pictures would you mind posting how you would address mobile energy needs? Frankly electric power does not address a huge energy need and that's vehicles. It also ties to the reason why continued development of petroleum resources is critical. Rather than trying to say "Mass transit" or "Stop living in rural areas" or "find another line of work" we need a viable alternative to gas/petrol. Technology has not advanced to the point of commercial viability and that has to be the critical piece of this puzzle.

[Bridget]

ELECTRIC CARS MANNNNN.

[GenghisTron]

Originally Posted by Innoc

While you guys are clowning with pictures would you mind posting how you would address mobile energy needs? Frankly electric power does not address a huge energy need and that's vehicles. It also ties to the reason why continued development of petroleum resources is critical. Rather than trying to say "Mass transit" or "Stop living in rural areas" or "find another line of work" we need a viable alternative to gas/petrol. Technology has not advanced to the point of commercial viability and that has to be the critical piece of this puzzle.

As Bush would say, Nukuler.

[uBeR]

Originally Posted by Innoc

While you guys are clowning with pictures would you mind posting how you would address mobile energy needs? Frankly electric power does not address a huge energy need and that's vehicles. It also ties to the reason why continued development of petroleum resources is critical. Rather than trying to say "Mass transit" or "Stop living in rural areas" or "find another line of work" we need a viable alternative to gas/petrol. Technology has not advanced to the point of commercial viability and that has to be the critical piece of this puzzle.

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/51

[stray kitten]

Originally Posted by Innoc

While you guys are clowning with pictures would you mind posting how you would address mobile energy needs? Frankly electric power does not address a huge energy need and that's vehicles. It also ties to the reason why continued development of petroleum resources is critical. Rather than trying to say "Mass transit" or "Stop living in rural areas" or "find another line of work" we need a viable alternative to gas/petrol. Technology has not advanced to the point of commercial viability and that has to be the critical piece of this puzzle.

fossil based resources can be diverted to mobile necessities. And developing nuclear power doesn't mean we don't continue to market and develop fuel efficiency. And for those who think magical fairy dust is going to magically make oil go away.... allowing over 30 million barrels of oil to flow into a critical ecosystem like the Gulf of Mexico is just as bad as anything a nuclear power plant is going to spew. Unless you have a complete failure like the rust bucket shit hole plant that was in Soviet Russia. A shinning example of socialism.

[Iggy]

The problem with removing the dependence of oil(foreign or domestic) is that:

1. Oil based system is firmly entrenched in daily life
2. Replacement of an entire way of life is going to be costly for the end user
3. Renewable energy is not yet(!) portable enough for the demands of todays society
4. N.I.M.B.Y.

Right now, unless every well in the world went dry, it's not economically feasable(or even possible) to replace the current system. Even if they did, and society was forced by necessity to replace it, it would take years to do.

Imagine what would happen... Middle Eastern nations would no longer have a viable product for their customers, and if they refuse to adapt to the "new economy", they would do what they had to for their way of life to survive.... start a war.

Renewable energy is problematic in another way: NIMBY. Not In My Back Yard. It's quite possible to put windmill farms all over the place, but most people would consider them an "eyesore", tainting wherever they are placed. Even offshore. Nuclear plants do contain a danger, even though minimal with todays technology. I doubt another "Chernobyl" would happen, even though the "lowest bidder" would be doing the construction.

Technology IS marching towards miniaturization... and this includes batteries. What is needed is a battery that can not only hold a long-term charge(days vs hours), but produce enough energy that it can move a car at moderately high speeds, or a truck/bus/etc at all.