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Originally Posted by pF

i'd fail spectacularly at any of those requirements

As do I o-O! Most of the time.

Originally Posted by zelenjava

Why are you discussing 2 meaningless screenshots? Those players you are discussing are the standard FF.pickup regulars none of which you are in any position to criticize. Both of those screens are from a 4v4 game not a 3v3. As i said before, i based the challenges around what i achieve in the top 10% of my games (something like that). I didn't say i hit them every time, however if you believe that i've only hit 38+ on two occasions then evidently you are wrong since i recorded and uploaded a demo of this challenge the next day. I'll take your comment on hitting over 30 frags being an average score to mean you are in agreeance with 38+ it being an achievable target? (perhaps you just don't agree that euro players can achieve it).

I don't know what to say to the other bit. More wild assumptions based on nothing. I of course know who those players are and i have played against them on different occasions. I think having played against goodfellas, having played in the EU vs USA game and having played with and against these players in pickups and whatever clans they played for/helped out in the past has enabled me to have some idea about who they are and what they are capable of achieving. Thanks for the lecture though! They are good players, i'm not sure what you are trying to get at? is this another USA vs EU post? Please take it elsewhere.

This is also not a thread about comparing players, you can't possibly judge any player against another because we all venture in and out of activity. I myself hadn't played for 5 months before returning in febuary/march.

I would of thought that the last paragraph would of been a little more important, that you'd discuss that instead what I said before that. Also, if those screenshots were meaningless, then why did you post them? To prove something right? I don't know about Eu vs US, but I did feel the need to back up the US community because you were practically tossing out a comeback.

You might of played Goodfellas in matches in the past, but it takes more then that sometimes to understand the capabilities of everything top-elitists' can do. I'm certain people hit 30's all the time as Medics in US, myself included on a good day. But to call someone out about if they've ever hit that much or not... -- I just wanted to let you know that anyone of Church's caliber does that in 90% of his games. Thats like asking if one of the top 10 snipers in the world have ever acquired a headshot...

My reason for posting what I did about player skill is because of the following comment:

Originally Posted by zelenjava

Have you never hit 55+ frags on sd2 ramp or over 38 as medic on any map? i'm pretty sure i've seen people hit these scores offten in the EU pickup channel.

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Also 30k + is average for Schtop in a 3v3. 4v even.

For what you stated above. (that I put in bold.)

And my argument on that is scores like the ones you put up are easy when your competition isn't on the same page with his team (either less skilled or large latency difference/issues.)

But honestly, I know you got a lot of good game Zelen. I 'm not trying to bash you. I think I've done enough playing with you to know your worth. But really, do get back to me on my reply about the actual guild thing and my opinion.

On a final note, the guild thing sounds like a good idea, but I don't see the point in a trial at this stage in the game. My thoughts on this is that if your going to make a guild, it would be one that would teach other's how to perform certain jumps to improve their overall game. If you give people trials and they don't do well, "sorry you fail, you can't join." Yes, just degrade their skill level a little bit and have them leave the game thinking "This would of been my chance to learn. I guess I won't have that opportunity to learn something about this game." You get me?