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except this huge fucking post there i barely have anything read here in this thread, i can say i look forward to try tf2 once it is in the stores (i do not care i want to buy p0rtal and i need to make ep1 legal) and for me the problem will be the reduced gameplay, as an fan of mods like dystopia, kots2k(quake2) and Art of Ascension(still alpha, hl2pvprpgdm with global saved chars) gameplay is what matters there should be an high learning curve to any game, just to keep it being interesting (i love the descent series, learn THAT concjumper)
to all you childs here, you guys are laughable, a game like ff can be interesting, tf2 may be an fine shootout, but nothing compares to dystopia (i do play ff, but dystopia keeps me not looking at the clock, its tfcmark2, even when its not an instarespawnspamfest)
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